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Christian Guy What is up with Muslim parents killing their own children?! And in Canada!! http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/07/23/canal-arrests023.html?ref=rss Islam = religion of death.
Thu at 5:06pm · Comment · Like

Christian Guyhttp://www.thestar.com/News/article/285589
Thu at 5:10pm

Muslim #1 Muslim kills own child; therefore "Islam = Death"? that a very large claim. lol common now...I would not expect something like that from you publicly. Very ignorant thing to say. When the media Highlights a couple of occurences dealing with Muslims it is Islam to blame? What about all the other Parent-child homicides that occur Yearly? Suicides? Drug Over Doses? I wonder what religion they are? There are blacksheep in every religion including Islam & Christianity.

“And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein; and the Wrath and the Curse of Allaah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him”

[al-Nisa’ 4:93]

Islam forbids it. When you dont know, just ask bro.
Thu at 5:32pm

Christian #2 Honor killing is mostly widespread in Islamic countries or countries with predominantly Muslim population.[1]

The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) estimates that the annual worldwide total of honor-killing victims may be as high as 5,000 [2]

[1] "Case Study: "Honour" Killings and Blood Feuds". www.gendercide.org. http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html. Retrieved on 2009-07-07.
[2] "A Human Rights and Health Priority". United Nations Population Fund. http://www.unfpa.org/swp/2000/english/ch03.html. Retrieved on 2007-08-15.
Thu at 5:43pm

Christian Guy Muslim#1, I'm arguing that that the recent murders weren't an isolated incident but rather part of larger pattern, that is why I linked the other story in The Star of the honour killing of Aqsa Parvez from Mississauga.
Thu at 5:47pm

Christian #3 hermano...a non believer could easliy say that same thing about Christianity and it's horribly violent history (crusades, domination, etc.)...However for those of us who know the Truth may we share it in Love and let Christ himself melt the ugliness. De tu hermana :)
Thu at 5:49pm

Christian Guy Christian#3, hearing about these honour killings gets me so upset. These honour killings need to stop. The dead are victims of a twisted ideology.
Thu at 5:54pm

Christian#4 I am going to reserve my comments until I know more about the circumstances that led to horrible event. There is a whole lot of ignorance about the media as they threw at you a news without knowing the actual cause!
Thu at 6:19pm

Muslim #1 Christian Guy Says:
"Islam = Religion of Death"...."part of a larger pattern", ...."twisted ideology"

See Christian Guy, it is not just the "Honour Killings" that upsets you. Regardless of what Muslims do, You have a problem with Islam as a religion- quite evident.

Is it the Qur'an that upsets you? - which has only the most beautiful things to say about Jesus(pbuh) and the Virgin Mary. The Qur'an also relates a Miracle of Jesus(pbuh) which you wont find in any Bible.

Your a musician, listen for your self to the beauty & eloquence of the Recitation of CHAPTER: MARY regarding Jesus(pbuh) in The Qur'an:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwzxuCXZGAs&feature=channel_page

Maybe your stance on Islam won't be so harsh anymore
Thu at 6:45pm

Christian Guy It's true, I have a very serious problem with Islam. As honour killings demonstrate, Islam has a strong fascination with death, even to the point of glorifying death, when it comes about in accordance with the teachings of the Qur'an. It is no wonder then that those who follow the Qur'an commit murders and are willing to die themselves for the sake of Islam (e.g., suicide bombings). One simply has to read the news about what is happening around the world to come to this conclusion.

However, I also believe Hinduism/ Buddhism/ Judaism/ etc. = religions of death... spiritual death. There is no life apart from Jesus Christ, who himself is the source of eternal life for all who believe in him. Islam is simply more violent than these other religions and more dangerous because it is also a political ideology with aspirations for global dominance.
Thu at 8:59pm

Muslim #2 Matthew 10:34-35: "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household." - Jesus

Christianity = religion of death
Thu at 9:11pm

Muslim #2 ...I pray that you can see the satire in what I just quoted and that you lift your veil of ignorance and perhaps even the subliminal hatred of Islam that you hold deep in your heart as you have shown by equating two tragic domestic violence events in Canada to Islam and the 1 billion + people in the world who proudly consider themselves Muslims. No doubt, this is compounded by the fact that whenever there is a domestic violence occurrence in immigrant Muslim families in the West, the media is quick to label the issue as an "honour killing."

From the almost 600,000 strong Muslim population in Canada and 1 billion worldwide, you chose the murder of 5 women to generalize the entire religion (0.0008% of the Canadian Muslim population). You went to a public high school in Brampton, come on: of your female Muslim peers, how many of them have been found floating in Lake Ontario? How many of your Muslim peers are behind bars for killing their families in the name of Islam? Please….
Thu at 9:11pm

Muslim #2 Domestic violence is an unfortunate issue that transcends religious, cultural, and socioeconomic classifications. You must be extremely naive to believe that Christian women have not been killed by their husbands, boyfriends, fathers and or brothers. Please free yourself of the black rancour in your heart, you will thank yourself one day.
Thu at 9:12pm

Christian Guy Muslim #2, Islam as practiced in Canada is not a true reflection of Islam. Last I checked Canada is not an Islamic country. To view a more accurate representation of Islam you can look to Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. Would you want your children living under the oppression of Sharia law? Canada is what it is because of this nations Judeo-Christian roots. Never take for granted the freedom you have here.
Thu at 9:17pm

Christian Guy "God keep our land glorious and free. O Canada, I stand on guard for thee!"
Thu at 9:29pm

Muslim #2 Last I checked I was Muslim, and I am appalled that you have the audacity to claim what "true" Islam is, your ignorant xenophobic views do not make you a specialist in this regard. In fact, I just finished offering 1 of my 5 daily obligatory prayers, although my knowledge is not infinite I can safely assume I know more about the religion I FREELY CHOOSE to practice than you.

Canada (and the US) was founded by our Judeo-Christian founding fathers after they annihilated the majority of the “pagan” indigenous people, and stole their land; an act that by any definition would be considered genocide.

Our benevolent founding fathers then signed treaties with tribes/peoples/nations they could not eliminate only to break their promises later on once they were in a stronger position which have resulted in unresolved treaty disputes throughout North America which are still being fought in the courts
Thu at 10:01pm

Muslim #2 The surviving children were then forced into our prestigious residential schools where they were forced to forget their own culture, language, values, have their names anglicized and coerced to become Christians (world dominance??), and let’s not forget the extracurricular activities the noble clergy dabbled in.

These were not isolated incidents (like the one you used to paintbrush Islam) and according to your philosophy would by default be an accurate representation of Christianity, since we are apparently a “Christian” Nation. All these incidents and the history of our birth as a nation is a startling representation of Christianity if we follow your reasoning.

Muslim #1 Lets have a friendly Discussion:
Where does Jesus(pbuh) ever say "I am God" or "Worship me" in the Gospel? Show me ONE place. Does Jesus even utter the Words "Trinity" in your Bible? Such a basic and fundamental principal of your religion is no where found in your scripture, yet you follow it. When all previous prophets came with one message "Your God is One", now all of a sudden after Jesus, God is 3in1? Which logically doesn't even make sense:

How can the God who has NO beginning have a beginning (Jesus), and God who is ever lasting, die (as Jesus in Christianity), and God who is not dependent be dependent as Jesus was (man)? ILLOGICAL.

So God revealed Al Qur'an To the Last and Final Messenger because the Oneness of All Mighty God had been distorted through additions & fabrication to previous scriptures. Al-Qur'an remains intact:

"But they have no knowledge therein.
They follow nothing but conjecture;
and conjecture avails nothing against Truth." - Qur'an

Christian Guy Don't miss my point Muslim#2: here in Canada you have religious/ political freedoms you would not have in an Islamic state such as Saudi Arabia. Conversely, as a Muslim living in a secular state such as Canada, you are inhibited from living under the rule of Sharia law to the fullest extent possible. Therefore, for a Muslim to live in an Islamic state such as Afghanistan would allow that individual the capacity to express his/ her faith more faithfully. If I wanted to see what a true Muslim looked like/ thought like/ lived like, I wouldn't look in Canada, but rather Afghanistan.

Christian Guy Joshua MejiaA more accurate expression of Islam would be found in the societal life of Afghanistan. As you probably know, Afghanistan is a country where women are oppressed and where there is religious persecution.
Thu at 10:37pm

Saqib Sheikh you know you should never really believe what the media tells you its always a bias lopsided story
Thu at 10:52pm · Delete

Christian #4 Christian Guy, I am proud to be a Christian, but surely you must have known that posting such a comment would draw criticism from your Muslim friends. We have our reasons for believing in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and they have their reasons for calling our faith illogical. Let's try to get along while we still can. They might not share our faith, but they are still our neighbours.
Muslim#2, I noticed that you make some of the same logical fallacies that Joshua makes (re what constitutes an "isolated incident"). Perhaps you did it on purpose to draw attention to the hole in his argument.
How can we, as followers of God, expect to honour God by attempting to calculate which religion has committed more atrocities, while highlighting atrocities committed by members of the other religion and downplaying atrocities committed by members of our own religion? We must recognize that we are imperfect followers of a perfect God.

Muslim#2 Christian#4, yes I was attempting to bring to the fallacy in his argument by using the same device against him. I specifically mentioned that I was be satirical.

Religion is not defined by borders, rather its people. You cannot tell someone what their own true religion is. I know it better than you, as you know Christianity better than me. You live it, you breathe it. The oppression in Afghanistan is not a religious issue, it maybe construed that way by the oppressors but it isn't. I am sorry but this is the truth, not what FOX News wants you to believe.

I am not missing your point, but it is in fact you who is missing his own: I am happy to have the freedoms that I have in Canada, but I shouldn't be thanking Christians or Christianity for them. I am sorry but this is fact. I am productive member of Canadian society, pay my taxes etc. I am entitled to all the rights given to me under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the UN Human Rights, and ultimately my God given rights.
Thu at 11:30pm

Muslim #2 If I were to thank Christianity for my freedoms than how would you reconcile same sex relationships, abortions, euthanasia etc. that this great country allows and does not persecute or prosecute those perform these acts. For the vast majority of Christian denominations these are non-negotiable; yet you can walk down Yonge St. during gay pride week and observe and participate in homoerotic merriment. All of which are rights that are allowed under our constitution the same rights that guarantee religious freedom. So please don't ask me to thank Judeo-Christian values for my right to practice MY religion.
Thu at 11:36pm
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Now the reason i posted this is for your awareness of the types of people out there...and the other scary part about this is "Christian Guy" is in a really prestigious Law school here in Toronto.